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Title: todays other bits
Post by: handyman [Alan} on April 28, 2012, 03:34:13 PM
i'll leave techony to post his up later. ... but here's my little offering.

a nice surface find of an heraldic mount, and
a beautiful lead mount .. .which until i cleaned it up, didn't give any indication of what was on it. i think its stunning.

enjoy


[...and yes we got wet, muddy and cold
!]


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: Chef Geoff on April 28, 2012, 04:10:04 PM
Nice going Alan, some nice medi items there. I love the lead mount, I don't recognise the portrait but looking at his eyes and surprised look, it could well be Edward II around the time of the "poker" incident :D :D :D


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: The Doc on April 28, 2012, 04:12:58 PM
Nice going Alan, some nice medi items there. I love the lead mount, I don't recognise the portrait but looking at his eyes and surprised look, it could well be Edward II around the time of the "poker" incident :D :D :D

 ;D ;D :o

It is nice Alan - well done!


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: bumpyjon on April 28, 2012, 05:03:56 PM
Npt bad for a day out in the cold and rain  :)


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: Techony on April 28, 2012, 05:34:49 PM
I love that lead mount, or is it a token  ??? Nice going Handeusman  ;D

Had a mixed bag myself too, bullets, bullets, bullets, bullets, a couple of Eddies, a splindley little whorl and a pot leg. I'm intrigued by the inscription on the broken Eddie though. The cross is at 45 degrees rather than at the top!

Hopefully David will post his up later...


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: Chef Geoff on April 28, 2012, 05:51:22 PM
"a couple of Eddies" he says nonchalantly ;D Well done again >:( Tony. Now come on you know thw ropes by now, pics of the other side would be good ;)


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: Techony on April 28, 2012, 05:56:44 PM
"a couple of Eddies" he says nonchalantly ;D Well done again >:( Tony. Now come on you know thw ropes by now, pics of the other side would be good ;)

 ;D ;D ;D

Hmm. CIVI [gobbledegook] DON  ??? Are you thinking overstrike too Geoff?


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: Mungo on April 28, 2012, 08:06:13 PM
nice mount and bits there.......... 8)


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: Techony on April 29, 2012, 05:27:43 PM
Just got the photos in from Dave

Henry V York mint, I think ???


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: benny on April 29, 2012, 07:34:13 PM
I think your lead mount is actually a pilgrims badge looking at the fastening bits on the back. If so this is a very nice interesting find.


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: handyman [Alan} on April 29, 2012, 07:35:35 PM
hi benny

thanks for that .... it would certainly tie in with the area!

methinx a bit more research to do.

cheers

for other readers .. here's the info from wiki on pilgrim badges ...and a link to a similar one on PAS
http://finds.org.uk/database/search/results/objecttype/pilgrim+badge/broadperiod/MEDIEVAL/page/2 (http://finds.org.uk/database/search/results/objecttype/pilgrim+badge/broadperiod/MEDIEVAL/page/2)

Pilgrim badges were cheaply mass-produced by die-stamping or in moulds so that everyone could afford them; typically the design was only on one side of the metal. Pilgrims wore them on their outer clothing and hats or around the neck to show where they had been on pilgrimage. Today, most pilgrim badges are recovered in or near rivers because Medieval pilgrims believed that the badges would bring good luck if they were thrown into water. Many were displayed in the pilgim's parish church after their return, but these have rarely survived.

The same style and technique was used in the Middle Ages for a variety of purposes; livery badges were presented to employees and allies by great figures, and became highly controversial in the decades leading to the Wars of the Roses. Some funerary badges have survived, including a fine one for the Black Prince. Other badges, with motifs such as hearts, were evidently just a form of cheap jewellery. It is often difficult to decipher and classify corroded medieval badges between these types.

The quality of pilgrim badges varied considerably, with some being naive and crudely made, while others, such as some of those made in the late 14th century at Canterbury for the popular shrine of St Thomas Becket, displayed great craftsmanship and skill. Much rarer examples were made in precious metals for the wealthy; these have mostly been recycled for their valuable materials over the centuries. The most popular shrines sold over 100,000 badges a year, making pilgrim badges the first mass produced tourist souvenir. In 1466, for example, 130,000 badges were sold in a fortnight at Einsiedeln Abbey in Switzerland, yet only a handful of medieval badges from that shrine now survive. Similar statistics can be demonstrated with early prints, another popular form of mass-produced pilgrimage souvenir from the 15th century onwards. These were at first often tiny by modern standards, no bigger than a large postage stamp, and thus affordable even by peasants.

In England the tradition of making and wearing pilgrim badges died out in the early 16th century as pilgrimage initially declined in popularity and was then banned completely as the country became Protestant during the English Reformation, when pilgrimage became regarded as a superstition and idolatrous. The tradition continued in Catholic Europe, however, for some time.

Pilgrim badges usually show an image appropriate to the pilgrimage destination, often including the shrine itself, or a famous image there, or a saint, their attribute, or a scene from their life. These usually enable scholars to identify the shrine from which a badge came.




Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: bumpyjon on April 29, 2012, 08:08:24 PM
Very informative, cheers mate


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: handyman [Alan} on April 30, 2012, 05:04:12 PM
Well. its the start of a new week and some of us will do anything to avoid work!!

enjoy these little finds and if u can identify the coin ... feel free to comment.

[i'll let techony post his finds up later!! .. hope ur sitting down Chef!]



Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: handyman [Alan} on April 30, 2012, 05:06:00 PM
..and a few more shots of the same coin..

btw -- thx benny for the ID on the pilgrims badge .. much appreciated!


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: benny on April 30, 2012, 05:26:38 PM
Glad to be able to help Alan-Any ideas on which Saint it could be?
And btw--thx for showing me them nice finds you had today,makes me really jealous that I was at work!


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: Techony on April 30, 2012, 06:23:56 PM
Great shortcross pal, I can see your hands are still shaking from the excitement  ;D ;D ;D

I make it Nichole on Lund, so that's a Henry III then I think.


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: The Doc on April 30, 2012, 06:37:34 PM
Nice shortcross - as Techony said, Henry III, NICHOLE ON LVND, class 7c.


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: handyman [Alan} on April 30, 2012, 06:43:41 PM
thx guys, much appreciated ... i still don;t know how u do it! :D :D :D


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: Techony on April 30, 2012, 07:03:58 PM
My 3/4 penneth in the form of a longcross cut half and a shortcross quarter. The longcross is RICARD so could be any of a number of mints but I do like the way the N & R have been contracted. The quarter, well I haven't got a clue  ???.

Also today, our m8 David came up with this gorgeous groat. Any help on the Id would be appreciated. The N's appear unbarred and there are annulets all over the inscription, I'm guessing at Eddie IV but I really don't know. Luckily his sick note expires tomorrow so we might get a bit of peace and quiet on the field Lol.

Finally four little grots just to fill the space up a bit  ;D


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: handyman [Alan} on April 30, 2012, 07:07:16 PM
yep -- them grots are definitely grots!

as for the others, well found! ... hopefully we can make dave envious of the finds we recover in the rest of the week!

cheers


Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: handyman [Alan} on May 02, 2012, 05:48:58 PM
after a hard mornings work, i joined tony on the field, and recovered just 2 finds in the 4 hours. slow going admittedly, but heh, at least it was a dry day!  ;D ;D

enjoy the roman and a wotsit.



Title: Re: todays other bits
Post by: Techony on May 02, 2012, 06:33:56 PM
Yeh, and next time keep the flippin noise down if you're going to arrive late!. I could hardly hear the hammies coming through with all your boom-boom-booming  ::)

Better still maybe treat yourself to one of those stealth jobbies instead of the cheapies from the Army Surplus.

Me, I'll stick to road transport thanks.


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