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I just rang a farmer who i was pointed to by a good friend of his, with regards permission.
He said i could detect by all means BUT will i have a problem in the fact that someone else
has permission on the farm already.

I told him i haven't a problem with that,but how would you feel if you were the other guy?

has anyone got a shared permission? if so,does it work OK.

its a big farm BTW ,real big.

Maybe get together and become detecting bubbys  ::) at the end of the day its the farmers land as long as he,s ok with to of you going on then i dont see the problem ( thats just me )

i would ask the farmer if hes got contact details for whoever tects it ,,,some guys get farms do em once or twice then move on or maybe you could team up with the other guy,,,but i wouldent go on there without trying to find out who already tects it as that can lead to all sorts of problems.

The farmer owns the land, if he is happy for you to detect on it, then why should another detectorist, especially if you do not know them have any objections ?? It is NOT our land the landowners are free to invite whoever they want to.

Absolutely agree with doddy 10. If you approach a farmer and he's happy for you to detect then its nothing to do with any other detectorist out there. Too many detectorists get a little Golem over the land they use.

Its different if a mate takes you to a farm and then you ask for permission, thats a no no.

"but i wouldent go on there without trying to find out who already tects it "

theres a problem with that,the farm is not local,i also have a detecting buddy.
I don't want to ring the farmer back for details of the detectorist already there.

i agree with you rob ,,,but ive been on the other end when a well know club has detetected my land knowing full well that i was tectin it then having the cheek to tell me to ahem go away  ;D,,

I'm with NFL lol. I would check if this other detectorist actually detects the land and if so how often. There are some who collect land, to such an extent they can't possibly hope to detect it in 10 lifetimes.

I have a few farms that "some guy did 2 years ago" and that doesn't bother me, but I may think twice if the land was receiving a weekly visit. ;)

If you want to make contact but can't and won't detect the land without then move on, simple.

Oh ,I'm definitely going ,i just wanted a general census on what people thought or have experienced
in such cases.

I’ve got loads of land, and I’ve always avoided other peoples sites up until now, but I’ve had so many problems over the last few years of people actively hunting my sites down, I now think I’ll join them on theirs. At least it will be during the day with the farmers permission.  ::)

ive got a few farms here in wet  ;D herefordshire and its nice that several guys on this site pm me if there after permission for a farm in herefordshire that i may tect on ,,i can say ive never been on anybodys farm where someone is already tectin ,,and if you know a sites being tected makes sense to ask by who ,,as geoff  says if someone else has been tectin said site every week for ages ,youll save youirselves a lot of legwork ;D

What I have found is some people are far too lazy to get their own sites, so rather than do the leg work themselves, they home in on other peoples productive sites. They first make out there your best mate, take you for a drink or two, constantly making notes of things you say. Then head back home to check out the site details on Google, before returning at night or during the day in some instances.

Now genuinely turning up on a site out of the blue will happen as there are only so many farms out there, it’s the parasites I detest. :-[

It,s a difficult one to get right. NFL, CHEF and Avalon are all correct but it has come to my attention how we are sometimes blind to permissions as well. I got myself a couple of farms originally which like all farms had good days and bad days with varying interest from the landowner. What I was,nt prepared for was the fact that gaining trust from some landowners and passing on finds has bought a lot of other offers of which some has detecting permission already granted. I got permission from a farm between Ludlow and Craven Arms and on my first visit halfway through the day a large chap approached me rather verbally and although I am a big lad he put me back a pace. When I calmed him down and said I had permission it transpired he asked about three years ago and had never been on the fields. Even though the farmer had invited me he did not tell me others had permissions as well even though I,d asked. At the end of the day a few farms should keep a detectorist happy for a life time but when you gain a permission try and find all the details., but those who target rich find farms of the back of others should in the least be named and shamed.

There's another side to this as well. It could be that the farmer has never been shown any finds by the other detectorist. He is left wondering why? Or alternatively he thinks there isn't anything to be found. Either way he feels he has nothing to lose by allowing you on. It is all about keeping your farmers sweet and if that guy isn't doing that he can't complain.

I agree you need to speak to him out of courtesy, before you go on. He may raise objections but you can rest assured he will stop short of saying he doesn't want you on there. To do so would risk him falling fowl of the landowner and losing the site completely. However he takes it, you go on afterwards regardless happy in the knowledge that you have done right!

speak to the other guy,he might be a tidy bloke and tell you some tips,we aint all asses.some off us are cool and friendly,give the farmer a bottle of his favourate tipple now and again and show him your green coins lol

Difficult one - I've been fortunate that a couple of my permissions are from friends who only allow me on their land(not even a guest); although the downside is that it sometimes makes it hard to return a favour and can be lonelier. However on another permission (also a friend) he has allowed a couple of other detectorists on the land;but because I don't get the chance to go so often I have'nt had chance to bump into them yet. It's easy to get protective over land,but as long as the other tectorists are responsible why cause bad feeling,it's impossible to cover every inch of every field urself ,so hey ho. ;D
What I would'nt do is actively seek permission on land that I knew was being detected by someone else or return to a site after an invite to seek permission - both in my opinion BIG NO NO'S. >:(
Personally I would have a chat with the other person, explain the situation and crack on with a clean conscience,  ultimately it's the land owner who has given permission, it's his land, we are only guest; if any squabbles happen he could turn round and refuse all detectorists. :o :'(
Better to have a shared permission than no permission...... ;)

I know of two instances where detectorists have taken a guest on large productive sites. The guests have repaid them by approaching the farmers and securing permission for large detecting clubs. Worse case scenario hey! Must be gutting.

I went to Suffolk with a few friends a few years ago, one chap who I hadn’t met before called Chris offered to drive me round in his 4x4. Got on great and said he lived near Cardiff, so no problem for my sites I thought. I told him where in Gloucestershire I had a farm that produced 147 Roman brooches.

6 months later he rings me out of the blue, said he had a problem, a farmer had given him permission to detect his farm, and it happened to be the one that had produced the brooches. Not only that, he said  there was one field he was interested in more than any others, even though the maize was 6 foot high, and there was no crop marks on Google.
Guess what it was my brooch field, out of 1000 acre, that was the field he was interested in, what a coincidence! Now I had taken another so called friend on there, and I believe he told him the particular field.

After a heated argument I told him where to go, later I find out  on other forums other people had had similar problems with this guy, and had  muscled in on there sites and got them kicked off. >:(

Over the years i've had over 120 farms, many now are being detected by other people, I have no problem with that, as I cannot do them all, I just hang on to a few select ones. I have also taken well over 100 people on my sites and ask nothing in return, but I don't like being shafted.

I have, I hope a good relationship with my farmers, two of which have come up to me proud as punch to tell me they have refused someone who has phones up for permission and I've told them "Thanks, but you can let them on if you want to".
The reason they both gave was that "your sort of official" lol
What they meant by that was that 99% of finds, after recording, go back to the land owner along with the Pas record sheet, any Roman coins they don't want go to the nearest primary schools and with the farmers permission (which I have to say is 100%) I keep the hammies.
After 35 years detecting I would need a warehouse if I kept my finds lol. so the farer you are with a farmer the better he (and his friends) will be to you which can stop those problems happening in the first place ;)

as a hobby we have a good element and a bad 1 {as in all walks of life}its no fun getting shafted especially when your helping others enjoy a good day out ,,i let several members on here that are local to me know where im tectin or permissions ive got and they return the favour and i havent had any probs with that at all,,,,there was a time last year though when i took a guy tectin on one of my sites ,few days later he phones me up says are you coming tectin,i says no as im busy,next day he told me oh yea i went to that site we went to the other day  ::),,,,i was not happy happy about that ,he was a newbie and maybe didnt understand the score ,,but weve buried the hatchet now {at least i hope we have as ive got a new sharpening stone ;D ;D.    

The hatchet, I would need the Charge of the Light Brigade on overtime.  ::)

lol,,,,,,,totally agree with geoff ,,its easier to just detect a farm than make friends with the farmer but the latter brings far more rewards ,,,if you just turn up at a farm {with permission}without notifing the farmer your there and start tectin {i know people that do} then youve lost a big part of the trust issue ,the farmer will then probably have no qualms about giving someone else permission,,if the only time you go there is when the land is good for tectin and show him bugger all youve found then again youve shot yourself in the foot ....personally all the farms i tect on i send xmas cards every year i go round there  even when the ground is not available just to chat, i leave contact details and offer to help on the farm anyway i can {had 5 days work during june on 2 differant farms} if its coming up to crop time i call or go round several weeks before just to reaffirm the permission ive got ,,,,ive had tea ,in many a farmers house and shown many finds and given several finds over to them ,,,its got to the stage now where farmers phone me when ground is available ....in this hobby you get out what you put in.